September 01, 2005

Today's Pond Q&A

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Today's Pond Q&A

In this issue:

- MOOR GOLDFISH

- WINTER IN OR OUT? OVERWINTERING FISH THE FIRST YEAR
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Question>

I have a very small pond and in it, in addition to a few other
fish, I have a black Moor (the kind with the very bulging eyes).

This morning when I went to feed the fish, I could see that one
of his eyes is missing! He has the normal bulge and eye on one
side of his head, and no bulge whatsoever on the other.

He obviously got hurt somehow, but I can't imagine how he lost an
eye. Could one of the other fish have done something to him
(comet, shubunkin)? I guess I should note that he may not be a
he, because I have babies, but I'm not sure who the mother is.
Although I don't think it is the Moor, because the babies don't
have the Moor body shape (although a few are completely black).

So I guess I have a couple of questions:

1) If the Moor is the mother, could it have gotten hurt so badly
during the spawning process that it lost an eye?

2) Did the eye likely get knocked all the way out, or might it
have been absorbed into the body if it was merely damaged? He
llooks so strange with only a huge bulge on one side!

3) Do I need to worry about the Moor not surviving without an
eye? It seems to be eating and swimming around okay.

4) When fish of different varieties mate, how does the coloring
and body shape get determined? Some must be dominant over others,
I guess. For example, if the Moor isn't the mother or father, is
it usual for the other fish, who are completely patchworked
white/orange/black, to have some offspring that are totally
black?

Any help you could give would be appreciated!

Thanks
Diana Rochester, MI

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Answer>

Dear Diana,

I am not an expert on fancy goldfish but did have some Black
Moors at one time. I will try to answer these questions, but
again, they are just my best guesses.

1) It could have happened during spawning, yes. Sometimes
spawning is so rough that the fish are killed and that I can say
from experience. I would imagine the protruding eyes would be a
jeopardy for a Moor in a community pond.

2) I donít believe the eye could contract so my guess is the eye
was knocked out completely. And eyes donít grow back. Can you
live with it as it is?

3) Fish have lived with serious damage for many years. Look at
our own amputees. We do fine.

4) A little history of goldfish breeding: they are born black and
lose the black later on. It was through selective breeding that
those fish were developed as they are now and who knows what you
might get by letting them breed on their own. Some might revert
back to the native carp and some might be really special. But
they donít always follow the colors of the parent fish unless you
bred two of the same type together.

But you might want to forward this to my friends in the Mid-West
Koi and Goldfish Club for more insight. I was attending a show
last week and spent time visiting the fancy goldfish tanks. This
guy knows what he is talking about. The fish were amazing. You
can go to the website for yourself www.goldfishpages.com

- Carolyn

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Question>

Hi Carolyn!

I really enjoy you pond q and a's. There's alot of good
information there.

My question is this. My pond is a small one, appr. 250 gallons
and is on average about 6 feet in diameter with the deepest part
appr. 3 feet in diameter and about 16 inches deep, the rest
being a shelf appr. 6 inches deep. Do you think my fish would
survive the winter outdoors or should I bring them inside for
the winter? I live in northeastern Ohio. I've heard they would
and wouldn't survive so as you can guess, I'm pretty confused.

By the way, this is my first year with my first pond, so I need
expert advice. Thank you very much for your help.


- Mike Malcuit

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Answer>

Hi, Mike.

I lean toward bringing them in. I say that because you are a
novice and you would have to use some sort of heating element or
de-icer to keep the pond from freezing solid. It is too shallow
for your area. It would have to have something to keep an area
open even if it were deeper for the exchange of gases, but in
this case, the ice would encase the fish and that would be that.
If you were to have even a couple of hours power outage, and a
winter like we had last year, the pond would be frozen and the
fish would be dead. Hopefully you will have sufficient housing
for them indoors this year. Better safe than sorry. By next year
you will have much more knowledge.

Have you joined a club in your area yet? It is always a good
idea to get the knowledge of a good club to get you started.

- Carolyn

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